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September 1st, 2010


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05:08 pm - Bosses should mind their own business, not mine
I've come across job postings that insist on a potential boss being added to non-public Facebook/Twitter accounts as a condition of the job. That represents the grossest kind of overblown sense of entitlement possible & unfair leveraging of the employer-employee relationship.

An employer has NO right to poke into my private affairs & see who I associate with outside of the job. NONE. My free time is MINE!
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From:theentwife
Date:September 1st, 2010 10:15 pm (UTC)
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It's required in the application process. Here's a recent example I came across, which set off this particular rant -- I've changed the potential boss' name to REDACTED to protect the guilty:

Please send 2 well-edited paragraphs about yourself (no resumes!) and why you’re the one for the position plus a link to your favorite presence on a major social network (Facebook, Twitter, MySpace, etc.) If your profiles are private, please friend REDACTED (the Founder and Publisher) at Facebook at facebook.com/REDACTED or on MySpace at http://www.myspace.com/REDACTED. You can always break the friend link later

You have to let this guy poke through your private life BEFORE you can even get to the interview stage!!! Total abuse of power, IMO, since he has the power to hire you or not based on what he finds there.

This is why I hate Facebook's real-name policy & use it just to play games & make "safe" entries & why I set up an innocuous real-name Twitter account, so corporate HR types have something non-threatening to find when they google my name. :P


Persephone
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From:theentwife
Date:September 1st, 2010 11:04 pm (UTC)
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The total abuse of power & leveraging of the boss' ability to hire -- or not! -- is what really ticks me off. And this is not an isolated example, BTW, which is the truly worrisome thing, as this behavior seems to be becoming normalized in the hiring process.

Hence the rant.


Persephone
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From:alienor77310
Date:September 1st, 2010 09:20 pm (UTC)
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*boggles*
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From:theentwife
Date:September 1st, 2010 10:18 pm (UTC)
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Astounding, innit?


Persephone
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From:alienor77310
Date:September 1st, 2010 10:25 pm (UTC)
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I'm very carefully web-schizophrenic. I don't mind anyone knowing about some of my activities, and have used my real name for those. Cooking, choir, tourist office, cross-stitching... nothing incriminating.

On the other hand, I'm certainly not going to send links to my fanart pr0n to a potential client or employer.
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From:theentwife
Date:September 1st, 2010 10:54 pm (UTC)
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I'm the same. I have friends who've known me by my pseudonym for 20+ years who don't know my legal name -- deliberately. Good friends too.

My fan stuff is mostly G-rated & gen. Even the naughty stuff isn't generally all that naughty -- more like cable-TV hard R than X or XXX. Even my kink stuff is generally G-rated! (But I'd rather a potential employer not read it anyway . . . )


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From:horuschilde
Date:September 1st, 2010 11:05 pm (UTC)
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Agreed there - which is why I have a Fb under a pseudonym. It's not impossible to do, though I keep the posting fairly clean all the same. It's utterly abhorrent that they feel entitled to ask people to do this - and it frightens me that some people will go ahead and comply, whether out of desperation or naivete
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From:theentwife
Date:September 1st, 2010 11:40 pm (UTC)
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I'd say desperation, given the current problems with massive unemployment -- if it's the difference between getting the job and being homeless, quite a few would comply with the demand, however reluctantly they may do so.

The problem with Facebook is when your account gets hacked, as many are. The ONLY way to get it back, along with photos/contacts/messages, is to give up personal info to Facebook staff that proves you are the named account holder, using your real life info. Can't do that if you are using a pseudonym, so you end up losing the account altogether. Happened to a friend of mine. Ended up having to create a whole new account & rebuild everything, under his real name.


Persephone
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From:blaisepascal
Date:September 2nd, 2010 12:03 am (UTC)
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Send a letter to the HR department of the company, pointing out that by requiring you to reveal your private Facebook profile to your future potential boss, they are effectively asking you, as part of the hiring process, for your age, your race, your gender, your marital/relationship status, your sexual orientation, and perhaps other similarly protected information. Are there, perhaps, any other illegal questions they would like to ask?
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From:theentwife
Date:September 2nd, 2010 12:20 am (UTC)
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If you looked at the quoted example in my reply to anarchist_nomad's comment, REDACTED is the company's owner. And your reply would get your application tossed in the trash, for being hostile to their request. (Regardless of the legal correctness of your position.)

It's a no-win situation -- all one can do is walk away. Or buckle.


Persephone
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From:blaisepascal
Date:September 2nd, 2010 12:31 am (UTC)
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I forgot to put in part of what I was saying. I meant for the letter to say that while you were considering applying, and feel that you are qualified, you aren't because of the Facebook request.

If I were to send such a letter, it would be with the full expectation that I would not be working for that company, and I might include a "CC: Office of the Attorney General" at the bottom.
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From:samuraiartguy
Date:September 6th, 2010 02:55 am (UTC)
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And unfortunately in this economic climate, a lot of people WILL cave, despite the illegality of the request.
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From:innerslytherin
Date:September 2nd, 2010 12:53 am (UTC)
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It's just an extension of the school reactions to Facebook. "You posted something mean about your teacher on Facebook? You're suspended!"

I am so very opposed to schools reacting to student posts (leaving out necessary police action if a kid threatens to bomb or shoot the school up or something, which I am still not sure is okay either). And while I like my boss, I don't WANT to friend her on Facebook. That's just not right.
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From:theentwife
Date:September 2nd, 2010 01:24 am (UTC)
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Agreed.

I dislike the prying nature of this, with everyone needing to look over their shoulder constantly and wonder how anything they post, no matter how innocuous, can potentially come back to bite them.

Anything you say or do on Facebook can (and WILL) be held against you. :P


Persephone
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From:innerslytherin
Date:September 2nd, 2010 01:40 am (UTC)
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I try to keep everything on Facebook and Twitter (which are both under my real name) things that I wouldn't be ashamed for my mom or paster to read. (In fact I'm friends with my pastor on Facebook and another pastor friend on Twitter.) But I still believe it's MY decision what to share and when to share it, and potential employers and/or current employers have no right to go prying into my personal life.

GRAR. The internet is almost entirely full of fail for me tonight.

The saving grace is that I just found out that Tomorrow When the War Began has been made into a movie, and I have hopes that someday it will make it here from Australia.
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From:theentwife
Date:September 2nd, 2010 02:02 am (UTC)
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My Facebook is under my legal name & so is one of my Twitter accounts (I have several) -- my main account is a protected one though, where all the fun is. Same username as here, link in the linklist in my sidebar. Send me a follow request if you're interested -- content is different than my LJ, although there is some overlap. (This post started as a Twitter-rant, for example).


Persephone
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From:innerslytherin
Date:September 2nd, 2010 02:39 am (UTC)
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Ahaha! Yeah, I saw someone else say "legal name" rather than "real name" and I find that smart. I don't know if I would say I identify more strongly with Innerslytherin than my legal name, but it's definitely something to think about.

I'll find you there! You always have interesting things to say. :)
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From:theentwife
Date:September 2nd, 2010 03:23 am (UTC)
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I saw your follow request & accepted it, but something seems to have gone wrong, since I don't see you on my followers page nor do I see me among those you follow. You might have to resend the request.

~~ kicks Twitter in the shins -- HARD ~~


Persephone
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From:innerslytherin
Date:September 3rd, 2010 12:56 am (UTC)
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Weird! Your tweets are showing up okay for me. Have you seen any of mine today? Sometimes when I follow/unfollow someone, the change doesn't seem to register right away. But if you haven't seen my book tweets this afternoon, I'll try unfollowing and refollowing.
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From:theentwife
Date:September 3rd, 2010 01:22 am (UTC)
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It's working OK now -- I can see your tweets in the twitstream fine & you're now showing in my followers list.

Guess threatening to harpoon the Twitter failwhale worked . . .


Persephone
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From:samuraiartguy
Date:September 6th, 2010 02:58 am (UTC)
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I consider Facebook and Twitter (which as an old guy who writes in compete sentences, I can't abide, not being a twit, but I digress... ) to be BILLBOARDS pointed at the FDR DRIVE, along with anything posted there as far as privacy is concerned.
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From:theentwife
Date:September 6th, 2010 03:53 am (UTC)
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I have both my main Twitter & my Facebook as friends-only, so for me, more like a billboard in a back alley or locked courtyard.

You may want to consider using Twitter for business reasons -- it's a great publicity tool, used correctly. It would be good as a pointer to new posts in your company blog, for example.


Persephone
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From:sexi_conejita
Date:September 2nd, 2010 04:39 pm (UTC)
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My old job searched for people on Facebook and if it couldn't find the asked people to add the workplace fan page to their accounts...
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From:zon14
Date:September 2nd, 2010 11:26 pm (UTC)
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Well, fun. Yet another reason to never join either fb(full of BS is my term for it) or Twitter. Unfortunately I've seen this kind of attitude of "All your life are belong to us" as a condition of employment, starting decades before the current economic climate. That we should just shut up and be grateful for the crumbs thrown in our general direction.

Seems like at least since the early 80's it's been open season on the American worker.
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From:samuraiartguy
Date:September 6th, 2010 02:52 am (UTC)
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OH FUCK NO.

And anybody who wants that level of access to my private life, I sure as HELL don't want to work for.
How about, in the interest of full disclosure, you get access to EVERYONE on the hiring chain from HR flunky to the CEO?

Like THAT would happen.

Infuriating. And what's worse, the economic conditions out there are so horrid, that many people WILL cave, to have a shot at a job, even for an odious asshat.
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From:theentwife
Date:September 6th, 2010 04:36 am (UTC)
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When someone has been unemployed for a very long time & is up against the wall economically, giving up one's privacy may seem an acceptable price to pay.

Still doesn't mean that the prospective employer isn't a nosy bastard, though.


Persephone

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